That's interesting.. a lot of Eastern European conversions have a bad reputation for the quality of the installs as opposed to the prices. Post some pictures up of your converted engine bay - would be good to see.
Hello to everybody!
My name is Sebastian, and I'm Polish.
I want to come in that discussion, due to fact, that I'm LPG installer in Poland
Mak-uk - woluld You please, tell me, where did You get infos about poor quality of eastern european conversions in compare to western?
Let me explain a few things. Poland is nowadays most important LPG market in the Europe. All the companies producing or trading with LPG stuff, must find Polish market as one of the most important. Otherwise, they are immediately moving down to last league.
Due to this, there is more LPG instalators in Poland, than in rest of Europe (maybe not including Italy). As usually - when some business become popular and easy way to make a business, huge amount of easy money amateurs try to do this. Less problem, when LPG systems included a few simple parts (like I and II gen systems). But when sequential injection systems become a standard, problem has becomed more serious. How many of You, Dear forum Users, can tell, that You have full knowledge about elecronic fuel injection and iginition timing (telling more shortly: engine management systems)?
Why I'm asking? Because LPG conversion, if we expect it to run really perfect, should be made by people, who really know, why cars are moving.
Of course, 70-80% of cars are "gasified" by people without exact skills to do it fine. Most of them presents a behaviour of monkey from circus: must drill a few hole, plug a few cables, paying attention to their colours, press some key on PC laptop to make autoadaptation, cash the money, and forget about customer.
In my opinion, percentage of poor made conversions in countries other, than Poland, is not dramatically different. Simply there's many, many times less LPG garages in GB, Germany, France, etc, so overall amount of cars, which are definitely f**ked up is proportional to number of cars "gasified" at all.
You have to remember, that Polish producers didn't wait with hands in pocket, when italian firms attacked Polish market. There are very good, and relatively cheap Polish LPG systems, which are really better solution in hands of good LPG professionalist, than many of well known as leading Italian or Netherlands' systems.
When I decided to start with LPG conversions, I've got great experience with engine management systems, as an owner of small garage building cars for custom orders. LPG becomed our second speciality. As I only started, I aimed highl - to become the best LPG garage in my area. That's why I started to cooperate rather with well-known Italian BRC, than with Polish producers, I knew nothing about. But within short time, I started to check, how these Polish systems work in copare to BRC. And?? Results were surprise! True, that tuning of BRC Sequent or VSI Prins is much more simple, than tuning of Polish STAG system, but in STAG You get absolutely full control on algorhytms calculating LPG injector opening time, what gives much more precision in settings, and uncomparable flexibility of Polish systems.
With STAG system, unlike BRC, or Prins, I can easily make conversion for:
- cars with low impedance "peak and hold" gasoline injectors
- cars with full group style gasoline injection
- very high rpm engines (like k-22 redlined 8900 rpm honda engine)
- engines with extremally short gasoline injection times
- ...and even in single point throttle body injected cars!
Guarantee is 24 months, of course. And after conversion, You remember, that You have gas only, when You have to fill up with proper fuel
Be my guests in Poland! I live in village famous for horseriding clubs. So if You want to spend a few days in wonderful area, resting, visiting interesting places, and make a LPG conversion for:
- c.a. £630 for 3-4 cyl engine
- c.a. £870 for 5-6 cyl engine
- c.a. £1100 for 8 cyl engine
- c.a. £1730 for 12 cyl engine
Prices above are for STAG LPG system. Servicing of it in GB is of course unreal, but I offer phone/mail support on any troubles, including fast shipment of needed parts, with detailed instructions for local LPG service.
There's possibility of installing Italian BRC systems too, for prices c.a. 15-20% higher, depending on no. of cylinders and relation between PLN, GBP and EUR.
We speak English, of course!